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husband, todd. plus, oprah in tears over her best friend gayle. >> shoot, i wasn't going to cry here. >> oprah says, again, i'm not gay, but if you're an unmarried woman of a certain age even in 2010 is that question inevitable? all that plus a countdown to don't ask, don't tell. this is "jansing & company." we have a few things going on here. this is "jansing & company" and the time has come for the people you elected to go on the record on capitol hill. in an hour, a key senate vote on the dream act. there may also be a vote later on don't ask, don't tell. and progressives are still furious over the tax cut compromise, that debate could happen in the senate today, too. now, this morning, nbc news got a look at an e-mail blast that vice president joe biden is sending to 850,000 people trying to sell that tax plan. last night he told hostile house democrats not to expect any
changes, essentially, the deal is what it is. that doesn't mean democrats won't try and they are still split on this. >> here's the thing, the president got the best deal that he could get. i believe that, i really do. >> i think the president would tell you that he's going to do what he thinks is in the best interest of the american economy. some of those things would be, as i said, more popular than others. >> no, i won't vote for it. i don't feel like i should be coerc coerced. so, we just got a copy of this letter that congressman peter welch authored and that 53 house democrats signed. two things, you think this compromise is fiscally irresponsible and grossly unfair. you don't agree with barbara boxer when she says, frankly, the president got the best deal he could under the circumstances. >> well, he certainly didn't get the best deal he could. he could have gotten a deal that didn't have a lot of things that
are unpopular with the american people. a huge increase for the super wealthy. only 32,000 people on the estate tax wasn't even on the table for discussion when they walked in the door and somehow wound up in the final deal. look, i hawner the idea that the president is trying to do the right thing. i'm not one of his critics who wants him to fail like his republican opponents are. i want him to succeed and if they would have done an 850,000 person mailer trying to say call your congressman and fight to have the middle class tax cut and let the rest go for deficit reduction, that would have been the deal. >> what do you do going forward, though? if you listen to the president's advisors, they tell you this is needed to avoid a double-dip recession. a long line of people who will tell you the reasons why this deal needs to get done. where do you go from here if you're against it? >> there isn't a single economist that i've seen that says a giant increase in the estate tax adds a single --
things that make the deal worse. i think even the president says that. where you go -- >> make the deal worse, but those were the things he felt he had to give in to in order to get what the democrats wanted. >> he's wrong. if he would have fought for a better deal, he would have gotten a better deal. this is other transactions we had in this town in the past couple of years. there are good things and you want to stand up as the president and fight for them. my job is to help the president be successful and a voice for my constituents. a lot are frustrated by this deal. de facto a good deal is simply wrong. >> so, where do you, again, what do you do now? where do you go from here because you heard what joe biden had to say and you can tell me more about that meeting last night, but he has said, essentially, i don't see room for this to change. this is what it is. >> well, it's not up to him now, is it?
it's up to the legislature. and i'm not here just to be rubber stamping a transaction that was done between mitch mcconnell and vice president biden or president obama. i'm here to fight for my constituents and also here to fight for another group that seems to be lost here the middle class and those struggling to make it. they're not one of the 32,000 people that will have a dramatic reduction in their taxes. they're people who need to help. i'm not sure someone making $100 million a year needs a tax cut right now. maybe we should put that towards small businesses or deficit reductions. what we're going to try to do, chris, change the deal to make it better. >> tell me about the conversation and the conversation that like-minded democrats had with joe biden last night and what did you say to him? what did he say to you? >> listen, we like joe biden and there was no, not even an auns of animosity towards the vice president. he is a great vice president and excellent vice president the
second term of obama, as well. we did make it very clear and we didn't like the idea that he was there to sell. some people stood up and said that they did. overwhelmingly the critique was it wasn't a good deal and wasn't well handled and he basically to some degree stipulated that the deal might not have been perfect, but he was there to explain the details. >> if you had to predict now, what do you say is going to happen? >> i don't know. it seems to me that the republicans seem fairly gleeful about this deal, which is another reason i'm anxious about it. i think if it has the votes to pass, it might be done with a minority of democrats, which would be troubling in and of itself considering we control both houses of congress and the presidency. >> thank you so much for coming on. >> you, as well, thank you. let's bring in our company, jeff johnson and contributor to msnbc and mark tapscott, editor of editorial page for "washington examiner." do you feel, anthony's pain here or do you think, jeff, that the
democrats need to learn to follow barack obama's lead and compromise a little more? >> i think there needs to be compromise. as an american citizen i don't like that billionairs are getting tax breaks but i think what the president is doing is what he needs to do. this isn't just about helping the american people with the economy right now, this is about helping his presidency. 18 months from now is he going to scream, i fought for you and got nothing or is he going to say i negotiated for you and got you something. that's the direction the administration needs to be going in. >> mark, it sounds like if you listen to anthony, the republicans are gleeful about this, but if this goes through as it does, does it work to the advantage of the president two years from now when he's running for reelection? >> i think barack obama, this is probably the smartest political move he's made in two years. before this deal he was very much the symbol of everything that was wrong in washington,
according to a good good many people out there and now he put himself in a position where he's the reasonable fellow. he's the one making good compromises that will get the economy moving again. maybe not enough, but it will certainly make a positive difference and that position very well for 2012. >> the democrats also, i think, have to recognize, they talk about that this wasn't the best deal he could get, but i don't hear any republicans or them talking to any republicans saying that they had the ability to get a better deal. and, so, it's a misnomer. i think there will be some ranting and raving and ultimately some people who begrunb begrungenly say this is what we have to do. they have to continue with the bipartisan effort as they go from a lame duck congress to another. >> jeff, mark, thank you. in the meantime, a lot more going on on the hill. hundreds of thousands of undocumented young people literally holding their
collective breath. the senate now getting ready to vote on that dream act within the next hour. the house passed the measure last night, although that would be a symbolic victory, unless the senate can pull off what would really be a minor miracle and get the 60 votes needed in that house. the dream act gives a path to legal status, of course, for immigrants who were brought here by their parents before they were 16, if they have been here five years or if they want to go to college or serve in the military. also in the senate, the fight over gays in the military, the real battle here, really interesting. it's between three democrats. the majority leader harry reid and two senators who also support the repeal of don't ask, don't tell. i'm sorry, not two other republicans, republican susan collins of maine and independent joe lieberman of connecticut. their beef is that don't ask, don't tell is part of a big defense bill and collins, especially, has expressed concerns that the senators won't have a chance to debate and vote on several amendments to that
sweeping legislation. so, the inside word is that they're negotiating to answer those concerns, but that those negotiations, frankly, haven't been going very well. we'll follow that for you as it develops. look at what's going on in london right now. more of those protests as we get closer to a vote over plans to triple university tuition fees. now, in the past, we've seen some violence break out at these protests. this, so far, looks like it's been pretty peaceful. but, it really has been weeks of nationwide protests. 0 thousands of students. they had sit-ins not just there in london, but throughout britain and right now they're braving some near freezing temperatures to assemble ahead of a march through the city. we'll continue to watch that for you. that protest on that huge hike potentially in tuition fees that parliament is going to be voting on. and more than a year after being released from prison on the belief that he had three months to live, the lockerbie bomber is reportedly in a coma.
his family says he's on life support and is not expected to recover. he has been unable to talk now for several weeks now. he is the only man convicted in the 1998 pan-am bombing that killed 270 people. every murder is horrible but this one in los angeles truly defies the imagination. tracy herbert white a good samaritan who was lured to a hotel by a couple he had been helping. eduard and melissa garcia. a massive manhunt for that couple who hacked white into five pieces, stuffing his limbes into a back pack and shoving his torso under a bed in a hotel room. his family is pleading to the public for help to get these monsteres off the street. an incredible sight later today when the house holding the
biggest cache of explosives in the u.s. is burned down. it's taken a lot of planning. a 16-foot firewall has been built to protect neighboring homes and a section of interstate 15 is going to have to be shut down and an army of experts will monitor the air around the site which has been described by officials as a no-go zone. kristen welker joins us live just blocks away from that home. that home is packed with the same explosives used by suicide bombers in iraq and afghanistan. what are we expecting to see there? >> well, that's absolutely right, chris. we're expecting to see a controlled burn today. as you mentioned, san diego county officials have gone to great length to make sure this goes off without a hitch. in addition to building that firewall you mentioned and shutting down a portion of i-15, which is that major road behind me, they also evacuated more than 100 homes. in fact, last night they went door-to-door getting people to
evacuate. san diego county officials say this is absolutely necessary to burn this house down, in order to protect the people who live here in eskcondido which is 30 miles north of san diego. we have a close-up shot of that house. this house is being called by officials a bomb factory. they say it is all the work of 54-year-old george jakovic. he is currently being held in jail in lieu of 5 million bail. he faces 56 counts and 2 counts relating to bank robbery. again, they are hoping to get this burn under way in about two hours. they say it is the only way to protect this community. they are hoping it will last anywhere from one to four hours and then just burn out and be absolutely nothing. chris? >> kristen welker, near san diego, thank you so much for that. master gp card, visa, sarah palin and possibly twitter. all targets now waging an online
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police in london have their riot shields at the ready after group of protesters appeared in a couple cases to light flairs. this is all about that protest. there is a parliament vote and what it would basically do raise tuition at colleges from 4,700 a year to $14,000. these protests have been going on all throughout the country for weeks now, but it's all coming to a head with that vote going to be taken. we'll keep watching what is happening in london for you.
where will it all end? more threats we're getting from internet hackers who have been going after seemingly anyone and anything who attack wikileaks founder julian assange. they don't seem to be anywhere near done. there have been cyberattacks against sarah palin's political action committee after she called assange an anti-american operative with blood on his hands. "the guardian" quotes an online statement that says, "twitter, you're next for censoring wikileaks discussion." other targets have been some of the most familiar corporate names anywhere. mastercard, visa, pay pal and then suisse bank and all recently pulled the plug on wikileaks. i'm joined now by john able. it's good to see you, john. >> good to see you. >> we spoke yesterday and you said it's not that complicated to do what these hackers did. a lot of people trying to get on mastercard and visa yesterday
and kept getting that little circle yesterday going round and round and how big could this get? could they keep going from site to site to site? >> yes, they could. this is sort of a very pedestrian garden variety type of attack and people that know about these things and people who know more than i do say it's mediocre and distributing software to people who don't know what they're doing. they're just kind of running the program. you just keep hitting the site and eventually it goes down. >> that scares me, they're not that sophisticated and we don't know how many are involved and, yet, mastercard and visa were scrambling yesterday. >> these were corporate sites. transactions were never really under any threat. visa has a program where some transactions have to be verified on a web page for some special program that they have, but they're fulfillment, back end where the money is was completely untouched. this is a prankish sort of
thing. >> if it goes to twitter, a lot of people have a loyal addiction to twitter. >> twitter, again, another kind of service which really doesn't depend on its website so much. it's really more person to person and texting devices and things like that. a lot of people use the website, but the website is completely unnecessary for people to communicate and receive messages from twitter. >> we're hearing for the first time from one of the hackers and he goes by the name of cold blood. let me play for you what he said to bbc radio. >> i see this is becoming a war, but not your conventional war. this is a war of data. we're trying to keep the internet open and free for everyone, just the way the internet has been and always has been. >> does it seem to you or from what you're laering and talking to people anyone who criticizes wikileaks or tries to get in the way of its funding could be a target? >> let's take a step back here. the internet is amazingly resilient and doesn't need people making the point that
data should be open by preventing data from happening. so, the notion that wikileaks as an entity could be taken down itself is kind of naive. there are mirror sites all over the place ready to spring into action. traditional services might be problematic in the short term, but it's really not kind of a -- >> it's a protest against a threat that isn't as big as they make it out to be. >> this is a way of getting attention to the notion, the broad notion and there is a big debate going on who owns the internet and whether there should be openness and regulation on how you access things and how fast your connection can be. there's a big sort of anarchy versus regulation kind of debate going on. this is where these groups come in. in a sense, it's very opportunistic. >> thank you for coming in. first portland, oregon, and now baltimore.
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we have virginia, oregon and now maryland. new flash points for homegrown terror plots raising the question, where is it safe any more? today a 21-year-old muslim convert a u.s. citizen is charged with trying to bomb the military recruiting station near baltimore. he was taken down by the fbi who had supplied him with a fake bomb after learning of his radical leanings online. critics argue it's entrapment but officials say the suspect didn't need any encouragement from the feds. >> there are four scivilians contacted by the defendant and two turned him down and one tried to talk him out of it and the third turned him in to the fbi. >> mike baker is a covert field officer for the cia and also with us former oklahoma governor mike keating, also a former fbi
agent. good morning to both of you. i was in oklahoma city governor on the day of the bombing. i got sent there immediately and i remember the shock and after what happened in portland and after what happened just the other day in baltimore and you go online and you see the local newscasts. i mean, people can't believe that this stuff is happening in places like baltimore and in portland at a christmas tree lighting ceremony. is it a legitimate question to ask give on the state of home grown terror, are you safe anywhere any more? >> i think the easy answer is no. in an open and free society that we cherish and embrace, people come and go. we do have home grown terrorists. look at tim mcveigh who blew up in the federal building in oklahoma city. if tim mcveigh walked up behind you on the street, he looked like the boy next door. you wouldn't notice him or be
afraid of him. these are examples here in the last two months individuals who are u.s. citizens who mean to do us harm and, thank goodness for the fbi and the undercover operations they established and implemented. they were foiled. but you're not safe anywhere to someone who is determined to do you in. it's a real tragedy, but the reality in the marketplace. >> you know, mike, you heard the complaints from especially some muslim groups who say, look, obviously, these are disaffected youth and they had a beef, whatever it was in this case he said anyone who doesn't follow allah they wanted to take him out. on the other hand, would he have done anything, if not given the means, essentially, by the fbi? do you understand that argument? >> well, i understand it in theory and you're absolutely right. >> but in practice, it was amazing how quickly the story turned after the christmas tree bombing from the fact that this individual had been reaching out to jihadists overseas trying to
gain training and experience and suddenly became a story of entrapment or was he duped into this. terrific similarities between this case in baltimore and what happened in portland. at the end of the day, what else are we supposed to be doing? if we have an individual here who was being targeted or recruited or, in fact, is reaching out to al qaeda or other extremist groups. if we become aware of that, what exactly is it that we expect law enforcement to do? do we want them to have a conversation with them and offer some benefits for not trying to blow us up? there has to be a process and the bureau is following a very careful process trying to ensure that. they're demonstrating each step of the demonstrative way that they're not involved in entrapment. >> the one question that people are skg, governasking, governor. in this case it was a series of facebook postings and then started to follow this
21-year-old pretty closely. but, is that taking away time and resources from people who aren't just putting some rantings on a facebook page or out there on the internet but actually have contact with people who are in pakistan or who are known terrorists. is it an either or proposition? >> mike knows well it is a piece of a larger puzzle. the reality is the fbi is limited in its size, but i think this is great to make those individuals who mean to do us harm. look at the fbi's success in breaking and destroying, really, the american communist party, the same thing with the ku klux klan. everyone was afraid there was everybody they were talking to was an informant and everybody they were talking to was an undercover fbi agent or a friend of a law enforcement officer. i mean, if these individuals up the food chain, the more serious players are afraid that if you
ask the question, where can i get some fuse, that person may well be an fbi agent or some informant of an fbi agent or law enforcement. that's great. that kind of paranoia is terrific. but i would hope this is a piece, a small piece but an important piece of a larger intelligence gathering operation, not only domestically in the u.s., but abroad, as well. i would also hope, chris, that the muslim community in the united states would say this is not our faith. remember after 9/11 i was at the cathedral and he never said that, which stunned me. you know, if there were a black radical incident during the civil rights movement or back two centuries ago, the anti-irish movement if there were an irish incident i'm sure that the catholic church at that time, the african-american community and the 21st century would say, this is not our people. we do not destroy the lives of innocent people. >> i have seen it in the portland, oregon, case that
they're making very clear statements that this is not what our religion stands for. >> i think that's important and wonderful to note. that is very, very important. >> i wish we had more time. thanks to both of you. >> thanks, chris. sarah palin and kate gossel gosselin. just two reality tv moms hanging out, shooting bears. we'll explain. but, first, it has literally been snowing in syracuse, new york, for five straight days. look at this. forecasters say they're going to get several more inches there today. i have, i think, three producers on the staff here who are very glad that they're long graduated from syracuse university. check this out from sunday through wednesday. here's the scene, more than 43 inches of snow, the fourth highest total in history. just an inch short of the record set in february 1, 1966. [ fema] water was meant to be perfect.
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so later today in london in parliament there will be a vote on tripling tuition fees in colleges and all these folks are standing outside. they are protesting this proposed hike, part of a much more expansive plan to really take a chunk out of the budget. they have a big budget deficit in the uk, as well. we'll continue to watch that for you, as well. minor incidents, but nothing really serious yet there today. this one you've got to see. sarah palin the original mama grizzly with gun toting advice for that other reality star advice, kate gosselin, you know, "kate plus eight" on protecting her kids from bears with firepower. >> you could have a high population of black bears or brown bears. >> are you kidding me? >> it will be okay. if you're unarmed in the
wilderness, you're putting yourself and your family in danger. >> that feels good. >> i can't say i'm a gun advocate. there's nothing i wouldn't do to protect my kids. towards a possible run for president, we really are in unchartered territory with sarah palin. palin in progress. what does she want is in the new "time" magazine that is out today. jay newton small wrote that interview. >> hi, chris. >> you talk a lot about is she isn't she running. very serious implications for the republican party. what do you think? >> i mean, she certainly, we know, as i worked on this story for more than three months and as time went on she became more and more bullish about running. and she really tried to say, she
really made the distinction of only saying someone you can draw the most amount of change and the sharpest contrast with barack obama can beat him in 2012 and she really believes, she draws the biggest contrast with him of any of the other potential 2012 candidates. someone who represents the most drastic amount of change you can believe in, she would say. >> i think you point out a very important fact which is she has moved consistently towards the right from when she was mayor of wasilla and first running for governor of alaska. she does seem at least politically, strategically, she's positioning herself in a very specific, clear place. >> absolutely. the last year she could have taken a very sort of traditional track to, as former vice presidential nominees have of kissing the rings in washington and raising money for establishment candidates and really taking a traditional path, but she did the exact opposite. she went out there and courted the tea party groups that threw
bombs at washington and criticized the republicans and, really, that's her goal is to drum up the base. to get the base excited and to make a sharp right of contrast as she can with obama. >> stick with us, i want to bring in our company, i don't know, mark, if you've seen these numbers. but they surprised me, frankly. she not only has 300,000 followers on twitter, but 2.5 million facebook fans. with those kind of numbers, how nervous is the rest of the republican field? >> i think it's a big mistake to simply put sarah palin in the context of being the voice of the base of the republican party because i think like barack obama, she understands politics better than anybody else in the political scene right now and she, even better than barack obama, i think understands how to speak in a language that most americans relate to. she's not so much a
conservative, i don't think. she is that, but she is, i think we ought to look at her as a frontier contrarrian more than as an ideological contest. >> is she someone you want to have a cup of coffee with or bear hunting with or someone you want running the country? >> i tell you, judging from what i've seen, if there are bears in the neighborhood, i wouldn't mind having her around with the .50 caliber rifle she was just firing. >> watch out if you're a halibut. jeff, in this article it actually sort of suggests that the plans of the people who are very serious and know they want to run in the republican party are being put on hold to wait and see what she is going to do. >> i know that they are, but at the end of the day, we said this over and over again. second amendment sarah is great to watch. i mean, she's fun to look at and she's popular and people want to follow her. they're looking at what the next thing she is going to do is. but the moment she begins to really start talking hard core policy is the moment she becomes
to seem less and less the candidate of choice. while she may be the stark contrast to obama on the right, that does not mean when polls start looking at what she knows that people are going to vote for her. >> jeff, mark, thank you so much. thanks so much. people should read it just to learn about her relationship with todd. very interesting stuff. thank you so much. we're going to go back to london now because these protests seem to be taking on a life of their own as we wait for that parliament vote. there in parliament right now, by the way, debating this big hike and it's put a number of members of parliament in a tough spot who can't relate to this if you watch congress and follow politics. people who said they were absolutely against the hike and then they're faced with this huge looming deficit. they absolutely have to do something about it. and a number of them being pressured to change their minds about whether this tax cut or this tuition hike is a good idea or not. we have to keep our eye. thousands of protesters in lundb
there. in the meantime, much has been said about the jobs and the pending tax deal that it could help create or save jobs, but what can we really expect if this deal becomes law? well, not surprisingly, depends on who you ask. richard lui has been doing some asking. what are you finding out? >> what type of jobs are these, chris? everyday jobs says the center for america progress. retailers, accountants and others. by cutting taxes, they say, the argument is you and i have more money to spend at those restaurants and retailers, which means they keep their waiters or hire more waiters to serve busier tables. that's why you'll hear that term save or created jobs and the estimates. speaking of which, here's one estimate. >> this compromise is an essential step on the road to recovery. it will stop middle class taxes from going up. it will spur our private sector to create millions of new jobs
and add momentum that our economy badly needs. >> okay, so, the more the merrier, sure. it depends where you start. like asking you how many miles it is to get to chicago. depends where you start. if you start in new york, it's about 800 miles if you start in cleveland 350 miles and if you start where you want to go in chicago, it's zero. stay with me here, driving to chicago is like these estimates. it depends where you start. you save or create 3.1 million jobs if you start with no tax cuts whatsoever. no bush tax cuts, no payroll cuts, nothing. if you put in tax cuts on that scenario, all this money goes in and whammo all that investments results in new jobs. if you already have the tax cuts for the middle class, that's your starting point and then put in the rest of the tax deal, you get 2.2 million jobs. finally, if you were to start with the tax deal as it stands right now, in other words, you put in nothing new, you get no new jobs because you're starting where you want to go.
so, these are just the numbers here, chris. but numbers that could translate to immediate spending what some call a stimulus package on its very own. >> there is the argument, you know, a lot of conflicting opinions about that. thank you so much, richard. possible break in the search for who killed a hollywood publicist and it's raising a lot of questions about that murder. [ male announcer ] don't let aches and pains in the morning
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slept much less than civilian pregnant women. >> yeah, now the ballistics match. they say that the weapon that harold smith used to take his own life when approached by police is the same weapon that was used to kill ronni chasen. people in his apartment building didn't quite believe harold smith at first when he started bragging about killing ronni chasen and that he was going to get a big payoff for doing it. one neighbor had second thoughts about that story and called the show "america's most wanted" and
they passed the tip along to police and police then put smith under surveillance that led to that fatal confrontation. then we heard reports that the weapon that smith used to take his own life and yesterday in a news conference the police contradicted that that the gun did match and that they believe that smith is their man, but they do not believe that he was a hired hit man. he was an ex-con down on his luck, desperate for money and police say they think he was attempting to do a robbery and the robbery went wrong and then he killed r,onni chasen. i want to bring in clint van zandt. you know there are a lot of skeptics out there in california and else where about this theory. first of all, the ballistics says it's not the same gun and then it says it is the same gun. we hear that maybe it was the shooting came from an suv because the angle of the bullets that hit her and i think there were five that hit her in the
torso met meant she was probably higher and now they're saying he was on a bike. are there things in this that don't add up to you? >> there are. chris, i was on "today" show this morning with matt lauer and we were going through this and matt rides a bike a lot. i said, okay, matt, you have to imagine yourself. it's midnight, it's 1:00 a.m. and one of the few bikes in this section of california that is going to be on the street. at random, you pick this woman in her mercedes driving down the street and you catch her at a stop sign on her bike and you demand money or her purse and she tells you to go away or something and she starts to drive away. you're still on the bike -- >> hold on a second, clint. we just got some tape from president obama making comments after meeting with his export council but he does talk about tax cuts. >> the economists i talked to or that i've read over the last couple days acknowledges that this agreement would boost
economic growth in the coming years and has the potential to create millions of jobs. the average american family will start 2011 knowing there will be more money to pay the bills each month, more money to pay tuition and more money to raise their children. but if this framework fails. the reverse is true. americans would see it in smaller paychecks that would have the effect of fewer jobs. so, as we meet here today to talk about one important facet of our economic strategy for the future, i urge members of congress to move forward on this essential priority. now, the top priority of my administration since i took office -- >> so, the president, again, making the argument after a lot of pushback by democrats for this tax cut compromise even as a group of house democrats have signed a letter opposing it. we're going to continue to follow that, but let me go back to clint van zandt.
we were talking about the problem with this bicycle theory, the multiple shots. what, it sounds like police have closed this case, but if you were the investigator, what thing would you be double checking here, clint? >> i would say not too sure yet. number one, we've got this guy riding a bike with one hand, firing a gun with five shots with another hand and, yet, able to catch semiautomatic pistol. the brass is coming out of the gun. somehow he's able to ride the bike, fire the gun and put the brass in the air and put it in his pocket. if his soul reason, chris, was to do a robbery, wouldn't she crash the car run over get the purse and keep going again. he didn't do it. this talk of he's going to get a specific amount, $10,000 for a hit. are these ramblings of just a crazy man? is a crazy man able to make these five good shots? there's still pieces that don't fit. but, chris, you and i have seen
over the years that truth is stranger than fiction. >> that is for sure. clint van zandt in washington, always great to get your insights. oprah is used to asking the questions, not answering them. what made her break down with barbara walters? [ female announcer ] water was meant to be perfect. crisp, clear, untouched. that's why there's brita, to make the water we drink, taste a little more, perfect. reduce lead and other impurities with the advanced filtration system of brita. yeah. aww...that oj needs alka-seltzer plus. fast powder packs are a taste-free fizz-free way to transform your drink into a powerful cold fighter! there's a cold front moving in, but relief is on the way.
there may actually be a new normal when it comes to retirement. look at these numbers. from a new wells fargo survey, astonishing. nearly three out of four middle class americans expect to work through their retirement years. on average, people priblth they'll need a nestegg of $300,000 to retire and so far they say they only got 20 grand. i'm joined now by vanity fair contradictor vicki ward. okay, so much for the life of the early bird special. and i thought one of the things that was really interesting here is they think they need a few
hundred thousand dollars but, in fact, they'll need a lot more than that. >> a lot more than that. i think, actually, one of the most interesting things about this was it said that only 30% actually wanted to keep working. i question that because i think we now live in an age where people live longer, 30 years ago they lived to 65 and now the average life expec taes is 80 years old. the big icons out there in finance whether it's rupert murdoch, arianna huffington people at the cutting edge of their careers are not in their 20s. >> i think for middle class americans and i heard this from a lot of people, very few of them are retiring. they are happy. they may still be doing something else, but they're very happy to be off that treadmill. >> they want to retire? >> yeah, they want to retire. >> i come from a country where it's mandatory to retire. >> and people are happy about
it, aren't they? >> no, they drink them selves into an early grave. marriages break up when people are suddenly faced with living with the person. it's having said all of that, you know, on a serious level, i think that, obviously, they're not saving. and in other words -- >> you really do a reality check. >> right, except that you could look at japan where everyone says and the economy is awful. so, i actually think that, you know, america is sort of a great capitalest society of the world. people will keep. want to keep working and the more we see someone like murdoch or oprah and the more we see arianna out there really doing cutting edge things and older in life. you know, i think people -- >> alan, do you want to keep working through retirement? >> alan is like, no way. something else, here's another way that really we can look at
some parallels. look at these protests. this is, you know a little bit about london and the uk and these students, they are furious about a tripling potentially of tuition fees. parliament is debating it right now. what do you make of what's going on right here? >> finally, this -- happened to know extremely well and he has a mammoth job in front of him creating the age of austerity in britain. making people pay for university is something that we do in america. most other countries around the world it is absurd that the britains expect to get top rate educations, which i got at cambridge for free. >> these kids are going to have to come up with the 15 grand a year. >> but, you know what, there are student loans in process and all sorts of ways of doing it and it's better to do that than to take people's jobs away. >> it is the kind of tough decisions we're having to make here, they're making there.
it's fasnalticinating to see th parallels. you're going to work until you're 90, right? >> at least. developing now on msnbc, the senate is expected to vote on the dream act that would provide a path to citizenship for hundreds of thousands of undocumented young people. the house passed the measure last night. democrats much less likely to get the 60 votes needed in the senate, but we'll watch it for you and have it live. there's a big idea happening in medicare
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